skeptical of war, as a posture, as a general posture of the public. >> we're on the verge of another war perhaps this year with iran, and i want one thing to happen, i have really begun to think hard about it. if they know what we know, that we will go to war, and we all know it around the table, if they start developing weapons, putting weapons out and saying we have a nuclear weapon, we will go to war over that. they will go to war. do the moolahs know we will crush them? is there a possibility that somebody can convey that to them so there is no doubt in their mind, building a weapon will get them destroyed? and i just hope that there's some way -- i don't think we ever tried to get that to saddam hussein, we're really coming. i think he still had that out. that's what our crowd did when they wanted that war. they wanted to fight it. >> i disagree in the sense that i do think one of the messages particularly by the people like senator john kerry at the time, he said that in his floor vote

in the snalt, we need to send a message of force to let the nonviolent messages play out. >> i don't trust chain eney or or anyone of them to get the message to saddam. >> i disagree. i think there was a lot of threatening language, we're going to come. there was a lot of talk. >> hanging the guy. why would he want to be hanged? >> you in your own column said this war was coming. i think it was pretty clear. >> because i knew who was calling it. >> bottom line, once you start going to war, it is very hard to stop. >> that's right. >> so you have to think long and hard at the beginning of the process if it's worth it and if the public deserves -- >> in retrospect, small little moments that seem disparate, little bits of rhetoric, flourishes, talking about as a throat clearing exercise, of course, saddam hussein wants weapons of mass destruction, all of that stuff builds the momentum forward, and attacking

it at the roots is one of the take aways rachel comes away with. >> cheney will watch the show and say i won, they lost. >> and on that note, that's our show. thanks to chris matthews, alex wagner, michael isikoff, patrick murphy and to houston wood. have a good night.

i'm growing old in here. growing old in here. white hairs, gray hairs. going bald. life's over with. >> is this place stressful? hell yeah, it's stressful. it's one of the most stressful things you can do. you try to think of anything you can do to relieve stress from drawing a picture to lifting weights, to i mean anything. it's horrible. nobody wants to do this. >> 407. >> isolated in the rural farming communities of southwestern indiana, the wabash valley correctional facility is 340 acres of concrete, razor wire and broken dreams for the 2,000 inmates incarcerated in this maximum security indiana

prison. they arrive from all over the state. superintendent dick brown who runs wabash and started as a corrections officer here 19 years earlier has seen a big change in the population. >> your name, please. >> traditionally they were from the inner cities, cities like gary and indianapolis and south bend and now we are seeing more from the rural communities in part to the methamphetamine problem. the ingredients for methamphetamine come from farms. so that's why we have a large amount of offenders being incarcerated, i mean, my opinion, from local, small communities. they get involved with the meth ring and caught up and end up in the indiana department of correction. >> i got to be honest. the police in my town, most of them knew me by a first-name basis. >> it's the same thing over and

over. day in, day out. >> methamphetamine use, it's the worst thing i've ever came in contact with. my only regret, i wish i never, ever in my life seen it for the hundred good stories i could tell you i can tell you three times the bad stories. it made me feel the greatest at times, and it made me hate myself most of the time. >> chas harper is currently serving his fourth prison term. the first three totaled about six years for theft and burglary, but when he was caught with 114 grams of meth, the judge threw the book at him. >> i was sentenced to 72 years which means i have to do 36. that is 12 years more than a murder. most murderers get 60 years. it's hard for my family to grasp that amount of time for the charges.

i mean, how do you explain to a 6-year-old why your dad can't come home, and to an 11-year-old you might be a grown man before you see me again on the outside. >> but harper is not without family behind the bars. he shares a cell with his younger half trouble. >> we have got in trouble together. we've been arrested several times together. if he decided he wanted to do something i would go behind him and be like all right. let's go, then. >> keep doing this [ bleep ] be a domestic battery case. i swear to god. >> i got it. >> i will be up for clemency by the time you figure it out. >> carr has been in and out of prison on minor drug charges for ten years. this time he is in for dealing meth. like his brother, prosecutors

had had enough of him as well. >> they said they would give me 85 years. they just gave chas 72 years. so i knew they wasn't screwing around. so i went ahead and signed a plea bargain. so i can afford the trial. >> i know you are distraught because if they ever showed "days of our lives", it isn't on now. >> even with the plea bargain he got 35 years. carr says he sold drugs not just to support his addiction but to support his brother. >> chas was arrested and i started paying for his legal fees. i was paying for his attorney with drug money. >> i feel like it's my fault. i feel like he messed up his life trying to save mine. >> no matter where you're at or what you're at, family's first. you know? that's just the way it is.

>> i know in any situation i ever get into, he's going to be there. whether it's right or wrong, good or bad, he's going to be there. and i mean, he's loyal, loving and a pain in the ass, sometimes but that's him. you can't pick your family. >> skitz. that's the nickname that he gave me probably about ten years ago? >> yeah. ten or twelve years ago. >> yeah. >> how did he get that nickname. you tell me. >> how? we was high on meth. he was sitting there tripping out thinking he could see the cops everywhere and he kept saying there's the cops i swear that's the cops. i was like, quit skitzing out. i kept calling him skitz and now everybody in america calls him skitz. >> yeah. pretty much. >> coming up harper and carr

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a methamphetamine epidemic has not only ravaged many of the small rural towns of america's heartland, it's changed the face of the inmate population at prisons like the wabash valley correctional facility in indiana.

but wabash also houses men doing time for more serious crimes. men like jeremy blanchard. >> i have never been a drug abuser or a drunk. i knew what i done when i done it. i knew the heinous nature of what i done. i can still to this day remember nearly every blood spot that was in that house. i can remember the wallpaper, the way the bodies were laid. i can remember nearly everything that happened that night. >> blanchard has served a little more than one year of a 195-year sentence, but his facial tattoos will forever commemorate both

his crime, the triple murder, and the moniker the media gave him, the kokomo slayer. >> that's who i am and what i'm about. yes. >> blanchard tracked down his former girlfriend, her mother, and her mother's boyfriend when they traveled to kokomo, indiana to attend a funeral. blanchard broke into their home, hid inside and stabbed all three to death with a butcher's knife. >> a friend of jessica's told me that she had an abortion and that's what probed my anger and my hatred. i mean, that's my child that was killed. i'm not even a political person. i've never thought about abortions in that manner, but i guess you could say as a man, i felt like i was stabbed in the heart 1,000 times.

blanchard first attacked jessica's mother and her boyfriend as they lay in bed. >> i remember jessica running into the room and i stabbed jessica just to shut her up. because she was screaming. and i wanted to talk to jessica before i knew i killed her. so i let jessica say good-bye to her mom because her mom was dying. i took jessica back into the kitchen. and i -- i made a tourniquet for jessica's neck because i stabbed her in the neck. i wanted to know why she done what she done, why she killed my child. and i will say this. she never admitted it. >> the next morning jessica's brother arrived and discovered the bodies. knowing that blanchard had threatened and harassed jessica after the two split up, he

identified blanchard as a suspect and police apprehended him within hours. blanchard pled guilty as part of a deal to avoid the death penalty. >> you don't feel you should have received the death penalty? >> i believe that is for god to answer. if god would have wanted that i would have got that. do i believe that because i took another life i should die? no, i don't. >> why isn't it up to god to decide jessica's fate? >> obviously, it was their time. i can't answer that. >> do you still believe that they all deserved to die? >> i would honestly answer, yes. yes. i believe that they done something to me that i couldn't live with. it would have hurt me to the day i died. >> while blanchard says drug use played no role in his triple

homicide, the prison estimates drupgs were directly involved in the convictions of an one-third of its ip mates and played an indirect role in a majority of others. drugs make their way behind the walls as well despite screens methods they can be smuggled in during visitation and in the the correction staff is constantly looking for them. >> we are going to go in and shake down suspected people who have drugs, weapons, anything unauthorized. we're going to take. >> let the dog run through the cell and shake down. >> 504. >> there's a high concentration of possible meth in this unit. so we're going to try to find it. >> 507. >> a lot easier to see things when there is not as much clutter. that's why the guys like to keep a lot of clurter -- clutter.

because they know it makes our job harder. >> while the officers search their cells, the inmates give urine samples. >> the result is negative on that. each line has a number. the drugs down there. the control along the top. tells us the test is valid. as long as there's a line by every number, then the test is negative. >> one inmate refused to comply with the drug test. >> 604. >> four. >> the inmate is martin mcdaniel who is serving 16 years for three counts of burglary. >> he is going to the ccu which is the custody control unit. they dtake offenders down there who are troublemakers, who refuse orders and have been in fights, what have you. >> officers inspecting the cell make a discovery. >> i will call the nurse. this is prescription. >> mcdaniel has a prescription for anti-depressants. but the pills shouldn't be in his cell. >> we found a bunch of drugs he should have taken when they were

hand-gi hand-given to them. he has been saving them. >> moments later a letter is discovered in the cell. it could shed light. >> hi, mom i'm good and safe depends on where i went. i'm sorry for putting you through this be mom my fight is done i could not take it any more. this is a suicide letter. >> vera? >> what? >> the gentleman we just took to ccu we just found a suicide note in her drawer. he is saying bye to his mom and children. put him on suicide watch. make sure that gets to evidence. okay. >> coming up. the letter was never meant to be found. >> martin mcdaniel speaks out and is surprised by the consequences. >> that's bull [ bleep ] and you know it. and more from the kokomo slayer. >> i seen it like she done something to me.

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almost every inmate at wabash valley correctional facility finds a way to deal with life behind the walls. half brothers dave and chas use humor. >> we try to make each other laugh. think of how much we are saving on gas right now. we are saving a lot of money on gas right now. you know? what's that saying what won't make you laugh will make you cry. you just do what you do. >> with harper sentenced to 72 years and carr 35 years for crimes related to their use of methamphetamine both men have had plenty of cry about especially when it come to who they left behind.

>> i got the zoom and stuff right. mom, dad, i just want to take a second when nobody's in here to tell you that i love you, i miss you, i'm sorry for what i put you through. >> to my boys i love you. i think about you every day. i'm so sorry i hurt you. through the process of growing up without having a father. hardest part of doing any of this time is knowing that you guys are worried about me. there's no need for that. >> but not everyone here has a brother to lean on. >> 604. >> four. >> during a routine shakedown in housing unit d inmate martin mcdaniel was taken to the custody control unit after refusing a drug test. officers discovered he was

hoarding prescription drugs and then they found something else. >> the gentleman we took to ccu we just found a suicide note in his drawer and he is saying bye to his mom and children. put him on suicide watch. >> inmates on suicide watch are stripped of all possessions except boxer shorts, placed in a completely stripped down cell and undergo around-the-clock observation, but after they examined him, mental health staff determined mcdaniel was not suicidal. for refusing to take the drug test and he most must remain in the custody control unit where he will be locked into his cell 23 hours a day. only an hour for a shower and recreation. later he said it was because he had taken some of his cell mate's prescription methadone. i refused it because i was positive too and ended up over here.

>> can you talk to me a little bit about the letter? >> the letter was never intended to be found. i wrote it about a month ago. just haven't heard from nobody or nothing and you know was just feeling pretty down and so i wrote it. unfortunately, they found it. >> mcdaniel says part of his despair is from missing his two daughters who are 12 and 13 years old. he has spent almost half of their lives in prison. >> they had it rough not having me around. i chose drugs a lot of the time. that deprived them. you write them and don't get a response you know.

>> mcdaniel has only seen his daughters once in the last two years. the last time was after he swallowed a handful of pills in his cell. >> when that happened and my family got told, you know, i got a visit, like, the following week from my kids and everybody started writing letters and i think it was more to open their eyes up too that i was, you know, pretty down, you know. from now hearing from them. >> as the interview wrapped up mcdaniel expected to return to his cell in the custody control unit. but his comments in the interview renewed concerns about his state of mind and they decided he would be placed on suicide watch. >> i don't want to let anything happen to you. >> nothing is going to happen to me. why you going a to strip me out again? >> because that's the protocol. >> that's [ bleep ] and you know it. >> this will be it and they will talk to you in the morning. you'll be done.

>> let the doctor talk to you and we'll get it cleared up. >> because we talked about the [ bleep ] letter out here. >> he was sent here on suicide watch. talked to mental health. mental health released him but custody, meaning myself, and my captain and other custody staff here feel that we need to keep an eye on him until mental health can speak with him over the issue of the letter. >> mcdaniel will be confined in a cell with only his boxer shorts and remain under constant observation until he is take off suicide watch. >> we have to fill out, in a suicide watch, everything he goes through, if the fingers move. what he is doing and how he is acting if he is in restraints or just in his cell as long as he's okay. coming up -- >> dare you to put your finger

in this. >> i did. >> two brothers and their buddies celebrate another month down with a prisoner slam. >> rocking up a crack crock. >> rocking up a crack crock. never did that, sir. that's it. ♪

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hello, everybody. i'm betty nguyen. the keystone exxon pipeline will carry oil to texas. helping them improve the system used to control background checks. two teens under arrest for allegedly killing a 13-month-old baby and shooting the child's mother. the suspect who are 14 and 17 years old are charged with murder. now, it's back to "lockup." due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised.

my name is jeremy blanchard. i'm serving 195-year sentence for three counts of murder. this is my personal time to say once again to my family that i'm truly sorry. and it's a -- if i could change the fact i put you through so much turmoil and heartache, i would. jeremy blanchard might regret that his parents and young son suffered through the emotional turmoil of losing him to prison. but when it comes to the horrifying triple murder that brought him to wabash and earned him the moniker kokomo slayer he is less regretful. >> would i say that i would not do it again?

i honestly cannot tell you that. >> blanchard stabbed his former girlfriend, girlfriend's mother and his girlfriend's mother's boyfriend with a butcher knife. . i wa . >> i wanted them to feel the way i felt. i seen it like, she done something to me so therefore i'm going to do something tenfold to her. i'm a man of principle. i guess you could say. somebody like me with my mentality does not belong out in society. so, yeah, i believe that i belong in prison. i don't take that away from society. >> blanchard will have a lifetime in prison to think about the devastating effects of his principles. but chas harper who is serving 72 years on his latest

conviction for dealing methamphetamine has a different set of priorities. he recently discovered a device to help make his leisure time more leisurely. >> my brother came up with this. it's a razor. this is a razor and you -- and you hook it up there. so you are all the way across the cell. just sit back and turn it like that. >> knowing he might have to serve at least 36 years before being paroled, harper places a high priority on making prison feel like home. it helps that he shares a cell with his half brother david carr who is up for parole in about 16 years. >> dave, you put your finger in this? >> well, i did. >> but they still celebrate every month that gets them closer to home. >> today is -- we're going to celebrate a month gone by. me, my brother and two other guys. kamikaze is a penitentiary

mcguyver. he's an electronic whiz, bread ties, fingernail clippers and he's got it fixed in two minutes. is really good at cooking. we get together. have a slam. big nacho slam and make a cake. we say it's a celebration. i say it's to realize we wasted another month in here. it's something to look forward to. >> kamikaze. he makes the cake. >> he is no ordinary cook. among wabash inmates he's a culinary genius, turning snack food into something special. but doing a prior prison term he learned to about different sort of cook. >> i went around to other people who were in prison for cooking meth and got a recipe from this guy and this guy and figured that was going to be my new thing.

instead of -- stealing cars wasn't working. the last two times that i got out of prison that was all that i -- my intent was to cook meth. i love to smoke it too. but you know, i like to make it. making something that people really like and getting the reaction from it, you know, that was another thing that i liked about it. i always tried to make the best stuff. >> thank you. >> for their monthly slam, the four men pool the snacks they purchase from the prison commissary. >> this is a survival kit. chips, shells, sausages, beans. soups. >> about a month. >> about a week, really. >> but things don't always go as planned. >> a bag of jolly ranchers out of a $20 order.

this is everything i ordered. right here. all they gave me was the jolly ranchers. everything else exceeds my balance. i'm eating off skitz for the next two weeks. >> you all right with that? >> [ bleep ] yeah. >> even if he isn't, i'm still going to. he doesn't have a choice in the matter. >> that's what a brother's for. >> what's mine is his. >> even with the shortfall, the men managed to acquire the necessary ingredients for gaskill's chocolate peanut butter fudge cake. . to make peanut butter fudge, take the peanut butter, melt it down. and add sugar with it. make some icing. we have brownies for the crust. we'll roll that out and make it a layered brownie, fudge and once we get that done, we'll melt down the candy bars and put that on top.

it's like rocking up a crack rock. >> rocking up a crack rock? never did that, sir. >> looking good, ain't it, bro? >> [ bleep ] yeah. >> chocolate. you have to spread it out before it starts hardening up. that's it. guaranteed if you don't have diabetes, after this, you will. >> here's to the month of april. another month in the books. >> 394 more months and i'm out of here. >> quesadillas for may? >> i don't know. >> all four men are serving lengthy services. gaskill, harper and karr carr received their convictions for drug-related offenses.arr carr received their convictions for drug-related offenser carr received their convictions for drug-related offense carr

received their convictions for drug-related offense carr received their convictions for drug-related offensecarr received their convictions for drug-related offenses. but fabian gomez is serving 40 years for taking a life. >> feel pain because i did horrible things out there. destroyed lots of families, including my own. i lived the life of a thug. all i did was party and sell drugs. >> gomez's crime took place on new year's eve when he says he was cleaning his gun. >> new year's of course you want to shoot your gun for new year's. >> gomez admits cheating on his girlfriend and that night she confronted him on it. >> we got into a really bad argument. not physical, verbal but in the instance of the argument, something happened where the gun went off. >> gomez's girlfriend was hit in the face. >> she was -- she fell to the floor. she was bleeding. i called 911 and the police came and they pulled me to the side. you know, everything started

happening. everything started happening like i was in the dream. >> his girlfriend was rushed to the hospital. but she wasn't the only one fighting for her life. >> she was pregnant. she was going to be a month due when it happened. >> doctors saved the baby, a girl who is being raised by his girlfriend's parents. gomez's girlfriend died two weeks later. >> do you think you will ever see that child? >> i have faith that i will. i have faith that i will. >> coming up, martin mcdaniel gets honest about his suicidal feelings. >> it's a good thing they come in my room. >> you were, then? >> yeah. no doubt about it. look what mommy is having.

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this is my main view a lot of times. this is a -- lying on my bunk, look up. it's pretty much what you see. cell door. boxes. sink. toilet. mirrors. headphones. got me a penitentiary back scratcher. this is existence. you make the best of it. you get comfortable. you do what you got to do. it is what it is.

>> making the best of life at the wabash valley correctional facility is something everyone must learn on their own. lately it's proven hard for martin mcdaniel. after officers found a stockpile of prescription pills and a suicide note they put him on a suicide watch. mcdaniel was taken off suicide watch the following day. several weeks later he admitted that despite his earlier denials he was suicidal. >> when i wrote the letter, right, i had intentions of o.d.'ing because my kids wrote me a letter and told me they was coming. so i was going to wait until after that visit and take them

that night. right? but it's a good thing they come in the room, man. >> you were, then? >> yeah. yeah. yeah. no doubt about it. >> mcdaniel says his despair was over the impact his incarceration was having on his two young daughters. >> sometimes i think it would be better. >> what would? >> they don't have to weigh the options. i like to see my kids grow up, you know. but -- it's pretty, pretty [ bleep ] situation. >> while mcdaniel longs for a visit from his family, patrick gaskill just had a severe restriction placed on his visitation privileges. he was caught with a plastic bag full of inmate-made alcohol in

his cell. and now he is restricted to a noncontact basis. >> that sucks. that's about worst thing they can do to you here. you know, still get visits but noncontact. but it's not worth having the people drive, you know miles and miles you know just to come see you behind a glass wall. you can't even hug your people. >> what did they tell you? >> same old -- pled not guilty. >> gaskill will get 60 days in confinement. meaning we will leave his three closest friends behind. >> you have until friday to learn to make cakes. >> my replacement. >> no. >> yeah. >> no. >> and electronics. >> what are you talking about? >> you're taking my cake boss away from me. [ bleep ] you know what i mean. you have to step it a up. 60 days without a cake.

come on, man. >> but gaskill caught a small break. before his sanctions go into effect, he and his cellmate will get to attend a graduation ceremony for having recently completed educational programs. >> never worn one of these before. >> i graduated building maintenance. get a visit along with it. that's the main thing i was looking forward to. hopefully my dad made it up here. >> different. feels like the jump suits. i guess they don't consider a graduation ceremony as a visit and normal visiting rules don't apply. today i get to see him face to face and give him a hug. good thing i shaved my head or it wouldn't stick. it's like velcro now. >> for gomez, the ceremony represents the completion of his g.e.d. >> is this how you put it on? what side did this go on?

>> i haven't got an education in 12 years. 12 years. >> how does it feel? >> it feels pretty good. >> my mom and my sister-in-law are coming up. happy to see them. they're proud of many. never thought i would get an education. they just thought i'd stay the same. [ music playing ] [ applause ] as i call off your names please come forward and receive your certificates. patrick gaskill. [ applause ] >> thank you. >> star of the show. >> yeah. >> fabian gomez. [ applause ]

[ applause ] >> cordero love. [ applause ] brandon mulvaney. all together you may now shift your tassels to the left please join me in congratulating the graduating class. >> i'm real glad you came. >> wouldn't miss it. wouldn't miss it.

>> missed you. >> first time i accomplished something. over 12 years. last time i walked on a stage was in eighth grade. >> how are you today? >> [ speaking foreign language ]. >> i've told him before, it's like, you know i think about him all the time and part of me is here with him. you know, i don't know if he is suffering but i am. >> i think about him all the time. >> this is the best part, though. this right here. >> yep. >> this is the best part. coming up, patrick gaskill relocates.

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it's a nice back piece, ain't it? my brother did that. huh? getting the back piece on camera, baby, huh, showing off your work, son. huh? >> prior to coming to wabash, half brothers chas harper and dave carr had several short-term prison stays and carr, a tattoo artist has commemorated the experiences both on harper's brother and his own. >> the prison towers with the clown and the judge in between it is the clown. >> they tried to make the best of things with their neighbors, patrick gaskill and fabian

gomez. >> is the cake coming to my house? >> you better grab a bowl. >> but change is on the horizon. after graduating from one of the police's educational programs, gaskill is about to leave the housing unit to spend 60 days in confinement with inmate-made alcohol. >> the sanctions i imposed for making the intoxicants were a written reprimand do not make or possess intoxicants. decredit from credit class one to credit class two and 60 days disciplinary seg. there is administrative segregation. >> although the confinement unit is an eighth of a mile away for security purposes all inmates transferred there have to be escorted by two officers and transported by van. >> 60 days is the beginning of summer.

i will be missing this summer this year's pretty much. the best couple months out of the year. it don't make no difference. have to try to keep my nose clean and stay out for next time. >> he'll be back. [ bleep ]. it's one good thing about prison ain't nobody going nowhere. >> sometimes it's good to be by yourself to get you that alone time that you need. but on the other time will the be boring because i don't have nobody to talk to. this is it, though. >> new home for a while. >> what's your first impression? >> i've been in the hole before. different scenery, you know, still locked up doing time.